tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5414886168706105223.post8539299767452220873..comments2023-09-24T08:19:10.493-07:00Comments on Social Investigations: Unedited document from NHS private healthcare lobby Group Reveals Actions Taken to Ensure Competition Remained in Health billSocial investigation teamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16391387180236318901noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5414886168706105223.post-41886396566884276122013-12-13T01:33:28.892-08:002013-12-13T01:33:28.892-08:00How will this sort of activity be affected by the ...How will this sort of activity be affected by the Lobbying Bill and who brought it in, with what intentions? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5414886168706105223.post-70728067064784180472012-12-05T08:53:11.413-08:002012-12-05T08:53:11.413-08:00From above:
“…despite Mr. Clegg's unusual &q...From above: <br /><br />“…despite Mr. Clegg's unusual "take" on European law, national government's cannot change or undo EU law on "undertakings" or procurement!”<br /><br />In 2003/2006, Spanish private providers to Spanish NHS said that the Spanish NHS buying things, means it is an economic undertaking – a business. <br /><br />EU says that selling things is an economic act. You can’t separate buying a thing from the use it is put to. Whether buying something is “economic activity” depends on what you do with it. <br /><br />If you buy things for a social purpose, you are not taking part in “economic activity” as an economic undertaking, no matter how you are financed or your legal status. <br /><br />EU says Spanish NHS is social activity not economic activity. <br /><br />So is Spanish NHS not subject to competition law?<br /><br />EU says what you do with what you buy determines whether this is “economic activity” (c.f. war, Christmas presents, dinner parties?)<br /><br />Roy Lilley’s “Pink” email: 9 October 2012<br /><br />http://myemail.constantcontact.com/Pink.html?soid=1102665899193&aid=Y_E-uS3eMhg<br /><br />“…this is important. The whole future of the NHS might be at stake. <br /><br />“…the case of Federación Nacional de Empresas de Instrumentación Científica, Médica, Técnica y Dental (FENIN) v Commission of the European Communities Court of First Instance (EC), Case T-319/99, CFI judgment of 4 March 2003. (Here) <br />http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:62003J0205:EN:HTML <br /><br />”… it is gobsmakingly important.<br /><br />”It's ... the 'abuse of a dominant position' …<br /><br />“The abusers of a dominant position turn out to be … the Spanish Government. …The bits of the Spanish Government responsible for their health services were not tendering various services that they provided for their citizens. The key question was; are they 'undertakings'? Meaning; is the provision of a service 'undertaken' for an economic purpose, or are they 'undertaken' for a purely social purpose. <br /><br />”The …argument…: <br /> <br />“"... an organisation which purchases goods - even in great quantity - not for the purpose of offering goods and services as part of an economic activity, but in order to use them in the context of a different activity, such as one of a purely social nature, does not act as an undertaking simply because it is a purchaser in a given market."<br /> <br />“…how important this is …: <br /><br />“"Consequently, an organisation which purchases goods ... in order to use them in the context of a different activity, such as one of a purely social nature, does not act as an undertaking simply because it is a purchaser in a given market. Whilst an entity may wield very considerable economic power, even giving rise to a monopsony, it nevertheless remains the case that, if the activity for which that entity purchases goods is not an economic activity, it is not acting as an undertaking for the purposes of Community competition law... " <br /><br />”… the NHS is free at the point of need, services are not charged for and the tax funded, State provided health system is no way an economic entity why do we have … the market? <br /><br />“…no … evidence a health-market produces anything more than costs …" <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5414886168706105223.post-77250892181951818702012-07-19T09:08:52.656-07:002012-07-19T09:08:52.656-07:00Niel Sherlock, who is also one of Nick Clegg advis...Niel Sherlock, who is also one of Nick Clegg adviser was before a senior executive at KPMG. KPMG belongs to Atos.A.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00961789111443679736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5414886168706105223.post-15783949757750625102012-07-18T09:41:33.488-07:002012-07-18T09:41:33.488-07:00I agree nauseating in the extreme. Please keep up ...I agree nauseating in the extreme. Please keep up the pressure and publish this awful (in the proper sense) document as widely as possible. Thanks for all your hard work.xraypathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01997238305455676123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5414886168706105223.post-65526479086605501242012-07-17T16:07:19.063-07:002012-07-17T16:07:19.063-07:00Thanks for the input - this is something to explor...Thanks for the input - this is something to explore. The document is fascinating and to me, nauseating in equal measure.Social investigation teamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16391387180236318901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5414886168706105223.post-33083802566176513822012-07-17T14:05:32.449-07:002012-07-17T14:05:32.449-07:00Interesting document. Note this: "I had a sec...Interesting document. Note this: "I had a second lengthy meeting with Stephen to discuss the position with him last week, under the auspices of "Reform"" <br /><br />The capitalisation is important because Reform are a right-wing "thinktank" who have a NHS privatisation agenda, and essentially wrote the articles for Camilla Cavendish at The Times during the passage of the Bill. If the document really means the right wing thinktank then it widens the web of this conspiracy.richard.bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10589364986804437392noreply@blogger.com